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Thursday, October 19, 2006

Mathematics, Physics and proofs for the existence of God

     For all you Christians out there, I'm sure that someone, somewhere asked you to basically prove that God exists.  Whether it was some offhanded comment about the problem of evil or a direct confrontation, it happened.  Now how did you respond?  Most try to prove God from what the Bible says or from nature - the complexity of life or, even like C.S. Lewis, try to prove God from our thoughts about right and wrong.  All of these seem steeped in futility, but why is this so?  Because the existence of God is axiomatic.

    An axiom is something in mathematics that you can't (or think you can't) prove, but seems to stand up to scrutiny.  That's it.  Axioms are necessary, because you have to start from somewhere, and that starting point can never be proven, otherwise it isn't a starting point.  Addition is an axiom.  Think about it.  Try proving that 1+1=2 or 2+2=4.  I asked this of my Sunday School class.  They said, "well, you get two rocks and you put them side by side.  One rock + one rock = two rocks."  BAH!  That's no proof.  It's an axiom.  Who says that what seems to work (at this instant) for rocks works for a, b and c?  You see, the word asks the impossible.  You can't prove an axiom.  You can only add circumstantial evidence.

    But, is this concept so foreign?  While Mathematics just labels addition as an axiom and moves on, because mathematicians don't really put a lot of thought into axioms.  They just state them and move on to what interesting things are the results of those axioms.

    What about Physics?  It's the same thing.  You have laws.  Now scientists hold up Evolution as a theory, but what is it really?  It's an axiom.  The scientists will never prove Evolution.  Scientists can't prove gravity, they can't prove relativity.  Ah, you say, "but I can conduct experiments that show gravity exists."  But I can say that a billion experiments cannot prove gravity, because, gravity may not work the billion+1th time.  It's an axiom.  You assume that it's true, state it and move on.  Physicists are often wrong about their theories.  Classical physics is, at best, a convenient approximation of relativity, and a convenient aggregation of the shadowy happenings of Quantum physics.

    All axioms appear to be circular logic.  I've been accused of circular logic more times than I can count.  Why? Because I treat God as an axiom.  When you talk about 1+1=2, you don't spend time considering what would happen if 1+1 equaled 3.  You take two rocks or fingers or coins and show that 1+1=2.  But that is a circular proof.  You are starting from the conclusion that 1+1=2 to prove 1+1=2.  In the same way, the Bible claims to be Gods Word, and the Bible claims that God Exists.  Those who believe the Bible understand that it is a circle.  Those who don't want to break it up.  You believe God because the Bible claims He exists, and you believe the Bible because you think it is the word of God.  Circular logic.

    The important thing with every so-called axiom, or theory, is that it withstands scrutiny.  You may get ridiculed for believing in God, but the existence of God withstands scrutiny.  Why isn't God scientific?  Because the scientists declared that He is not scientific.  That's why Intelligent Design is so hated among scientists.  It cuts at the very heart of their denial of God.  For better or worse, science has been declared to be the study of only measurable things.  God cannot be measured, therefore God cannot be shown by science.  The next step, which science loves to take, is that God cannot exist.  But even in "explaining" Evolution, science actively denies God, which leads it to erroneous results.  Think about it.  Here's a bit of evidence, the evidence can easily fit with Creation/Biblical accounts, or it is a quandary for evolution to solve.  Since I can't use the Bible to explain the evidence, I must accept the quandary and move on.  Thus science has stabbed itself in the back by forcing an explanation for something that it cannot answer.

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Whenever I am at work and someone asks me about God, or how the world came into exsitance. First I tell them what I presume to be true then I go on and explain what I belive based on that.
Posted 10/19/2006 8:39 AM by nac8684 - reply

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religion by default and its constructs always brings forward circular reasoning that is quite inevitable...
Posted 10/27/2006 7:48 PM by Leonidas Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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I somewhat agree, but I would expand that. ALL BELIEF SYSTEMS are circular (i.e. presuppositional). You assume what you then attempt to prove.

In fact, your own statement is an assertion based on your presuppositions, and is inherently unproveable. And assuming that you have some presuppositional axe to grind with religion, I daresay circular.
Posted 10/27/2006 11:57 PM by MarkPele - reply

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Mark

Greg Bahnsen has some lectures on circular reasoning. He claims that essentially everyone does this based on their interpretation of facts.

Good post. Hope all is well as Southfield.

Posted 10/29/2006 10:47 PM by nleshelman - reply

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Coldplay is great. That's so cool that you like them! What other music do you like?
Posted 10/30/2006 1:31 AM by Charityruth - reply

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p.s. I accidently pressed the wrong button on my xanga and deleted your comment. IT WAS AN ACCIENT -- promise!
Posted 10/30/2006 1:32 AM by Charityruth - reply

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p.p.s. (this is getting rediculas): I'm so excited for Southfield for when the Faris's get there!! I've been praying for your church to get a pastor.
Posted 10/30/2006 1:32 AM by Charityruth - reply

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that's funny- i listen to the same mix of stuff!

God bless the pastoral transition!! God be praised for His provisions. May he continue to raise up men for the ministry.
Posted 11/7/2006 1:57 PM by beautifulmonday - reply

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hey this is just a reminder to take more pic of your wife before the baby is born (and take some of you and Irene also) and then take HEAPS of pic when the new baby is born and of the wedding! Ok? you must! I got a beautiful one of your wife that you took about 2 month ago but i need more! I haven't seen your familys beautiful faces in..... a long time! :) So send them if you can, please!

Tamari Samari :)

P.S. how do you like James and his family? They are pretty cool huh? are they getting moved in and everything. Well God has blessed your church with them. 

Posted 11/16/2006 3:47 AM by Blamara - reply

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Heh,  I can't type. It was supposed to say "ACCIDENT" up there, not ACCIENT.

Yess! Switch to blogspot!!!

Posted 11/26/2006 11:20 PM by Charityruth - reply

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RYC: I quite agree...
Posted 8/5/2007 3:25 AM by Leonidas Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply


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